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2. FB's writings on Law
2.5. FB's writings on Criminal Law
2.5.3. FB's writings on the Sexual
Offences Act 2003
2.5.3.2. BRIEFING ON SEXUAL
OFFENCES ACT 2003
2.5.3.2.3. THIRD
EDITION
2.5.3.2.3.2. Contents
Chapter 19
Extracts from Report of Commons
Third Reading
3 Nov 2003
The Secretary of State for the Home Department (Mr. David
Blunkett): I beg to move, That the Bill be now read the
Third time.
I am in a unique position this evening because, thanks to the
work of hon. Members from all parties, Members of the House of
Lords and many outside organisations, we not only have a better
Bill but one that is built on consensus. I thank my right hon.
and learned Friend the Solicitor-General, who has done a good
job tonight, and two former Home Office Ministers who helped with
the Bill—the Secretaries of State for Constitutional Affairs
and for International Development. As hon. Members can see, people
get promotion by being involved with the Bill. Above all, I thank
my good friend, the Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department,
the Member for Wythenshawe and Sale, East (Paul Goggins)—I
almost called him Sir Paul—for his work in Committee. In
all seriousness, we are grateful for the Column 627
work of Committee members, the way in which the Opposition have
responded and the spirit of consensus that developed from Second
Reading onwards. That is an exemplar for Parliament as a whole,
and embodies the way in which the Chamber and politics generally
should operate.
It was with trepidation that we drew up the Bill, and dealt with
the balance between offenders and offences. For the past 50 years,
from 1956 onwards, people have been reluctant to change the law
or engage vigorously with difficult issues because of the dangers
of taking them out of context. This Parliament has engaged with
those issues, and one Committee member even described the measure
as a "model Bill". We owe everyone from all parts of
the House who has led and participated in debate on the Bill a
deep debt of gratitude. I am more of a politician than a parliamentarian,
but I think that it has been is an example of Parliament at its
best.
The tone that was adopted when the Bill was introduced, and continued
in Committee and on Report, showed that we wanted to deal with
some of the most difficult problems as well as issues that required
sensitive handling in their presentation to the public. On Second
Reading, we reflected on comments made in the House of Lords,
some amusing, some which made us grimace, and some things that
we would rather forget. However, in the House and in Committee
those issues have been dealt with in a way that has led to consensus,
and I am grateful to everybody for that. Of course, different
points of view have been expressed. I am not often outdone by
Parliament on the sentences that should be imposed on people who
commit crime, but on the issue of grooming we accepted the additional
penalty that the Committee and the House suggested. We have been
able to close loopholes that were drawn to our attention by the
media, making it an offence, for example, to undress a child without
the previous interference that would have warranted immediate
action and a court case.
We have had genuine differences, which have arisen again today,
on issues such as anonymity, where for once it was not the Government
who wanted to legislate; I know that we in the Home Office sometimes
go for legislation first and think of other solutions afterwards.
Simon Hughes : An unusual paradox.
Mr. Blunkett: This is not the former Liberal
Democrat spokesman's swansong. I could not miss the voice, the
manner or the heckling. Nevertheless, his contribution is welcome
because he has seen the Bill through with us.
On anonymity, I hope that the Association of Chief Police Officers
and the media, as well as the way in which we can toughen the
guidance, will make a difference. I am certain that, if they do
not do not make a difference, the attitude that has emerged in
this House and the House of Lords will ensure that further steps
are taken. That is both a clarification and a warning to those
who have engaged with the issue.
Implementation will be vital. As was mentioned on Second Reading
and in the statement on domestic violence, unless action is forthcoming
from good words, there is no point in our spending time deliberating
in Committee and in the House. The inter-ministerial
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group on sexual offenders and the taskforce on child protection
on the internet are crucial in carrying forward Members' work
and ensuring that we have solutions that work.
As I said, modernising the law on sexual offences has been a bed
of nails for a very long time. We needed to modernise the law
in the 21st century not simply because of equality or fairness,
or simply because it was right to do so, but because it was essential
to get the law right to tackle acts that all of us would agree
are heinous crimes. It was therefore important to ensure that
we were not engaged in a past agenda concerning private behaviour
and how people live their lives—an agenda that occupied
people in the 20th century for far too long. As someone who is
known in Labour circles as a bit of an authoritarian, it has been
a particular pleasure and pride for me to be the Home Secretary
who has introduced this legislation in 2003. I do not want to
be compared with Richard Nixon, but it took him to recognise the
Republic of China, so there is hope for me in the future—although
not, it must be said, in recording people's phone calls.
Mr. Barry Gardiner (Brent, North): We've got
the tapes.
Mr. Blunkett: You've got the tapes; you've got
the message.
Finally, I thank the non-governmental organisations that have
campaigned, advised and, on occasion, supported us. The venture
has been collaborative and a genuine model for how we should proceed.
It has been an example of how Parliament can make a difference.
It is a great pity that because of consensus rather than controversy,
very little of what has occurred will be recorded in the news
media tomorrow morning.
9.18 pm
Mr. Grieve: I am grateful to the Home Secretary
for his words and the spirit in which the legislation has been
introduced. The subject is not easy—I certainly did not
find it so, and I am sure that that is true of all those who served
in Committee. There was a common determination that we should
not approach the Bill in a partisan way, and I hope and believe
that we have created legislation that will stand the test of time.
A great deal of credit goes to the Government. When the Bill started
out in the House of Lords, there may well have been a temptation,
particularly when the key areas relating to rape were placed under
scrutiny, for the Government to cease the consensual approach
and feel that they were being threatened. It is greatly to the
Home Secretary's credit that he listened carefully to what was
being said and accepted amendments that I believe have in no way
detracted from what he was trying to achieve in changing the law
in relation to rape, but have provided essential safeguards that
will guarantee that a fair trial can take place. The Government
are to be commended for what they have done in that respect.
When we have approached the Bill here, it has been noteworthy
that, because of the good work in another place, many areas of
the Bill have gone through, I hope not on the nod—I hope
that we have always scrutinised it sufficiently—but at any
rate with no dispute whatever.
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On those matters where there have been anxieties, one has to
look only at the number of amendments tabled by the Government
on Report to acknowledge that they have taken on board most, if
not all, of the anxieties that have been expressed. In every respect,
the Bill leaves the House in a better state than that in which
it arrived but it had already arrived in a good state because
of the Government's attitude from the outset.
I thank—I echo what the Home Secretary said—the non-governmental
organisations. I also thank the police, who have provided us throughout
the Bill with much support and assistance in difficult areas,
particularly many of those dealt with by my hon. Friend the Member
for Mole Valley (Sir Paul Beresford). I thank him for organising
some briefings that we received during the Bill's passage. I also
thank the Government Whip exceptionally in respect of this Bill
and those who have whipped for the Opposition. We have succeeded
in scrutinising in every aspect in Committee a Bill that was timetabled.
I am sorry that we did not quite achieve it on Report but I do
not blame the Government for that. Indeed, it would be churlish
to blame Liberal Democrat Front Benchers. The blame certainly
lies elsewhere.
The Bill is modernising and it is now gender neutral, and I am
delighted about that. I am also delighted that it will clearly
provide greater safeguards for children, which has been a great
anxiety in the House. I hope very much that those work. I am pleased
by the modernisation of some areas of law, which while understandable
were archaic. I greatly welcome the Government's last-minute decision
to accept that the marriage exception was irrelevant in the 21st
century. While it may have been appropriate 100 years ago, it
ceases to be so when we are living in a much more diverse society
where there have to be ground rules about the way people behave.
I do not want to take up more of the House's time. It has been
a pleasure and, indeed, a privilege to participate in the passage
of the Bill. As for anonymity, the one outstanding matter, I am
grateful to the Home Secretary for what he said. It is an area
of deep anxiety. I hope that he can accept in that spirit the
reason that we have kept on raising it, even though I accept that
the Bill will not stand or fall by that particular clause. I hope
that the Government can come away with constructive proposals
by negotiation with the media, but if they cannot it is a matter
that we will have to tackle, because otherwise the administration
of justice will become very difficult.
I do not want to end on an unhappy note. The good note that I
can end on is that I think that we have done—I hope that
we have done—a good job. I thank all those who have participated
in the Bill for making that possible.
Ms Munn: It is difficult to overstate the importance of the Bill.
As has been said, this is an incredibly complex area. Legislating
on it is not easy. Indeed, the more we look into it and examine
the situation, the harder it is to come up with proposals that
will work. Offences of this nature change over time. In particular,
the introduction of such things as the internet have made such
matters very complex.
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To be subjected to a sexual offence is devastating. It is not
to overstate the case to say that, for many people, it can scar
their whole lives, but that is not to take away from the people
who come through that experience and, rightly, describe themselves
as survivors. Many of those people have suffered for many years
the frustration of seeing inadequate justice in place to deal
with those offences. Their families and those who work in that
sector, as I did for a number of years, have felt that our justice
system was not up to dealing with such offences. Equally, it is
important that future offending is prevented and the Bill, commendably,
seeks to do that as well. I am encouraged by the seriousness about
the offences and the lengths that the Bill goes to ensure the
protection of the most vulnerable in our society.
The Bill seeks to offer protection not just to children but to
adults with learning disabilities and mental disorders, and it
recognises that part of the devastation that people experience
when subject to such offences is the betrayal of trust. How can
vulnerable adults and their families and children and their parents
who have been subject to such an offence ever feel that they can
trust people who are placed in positions of responsibility?
The Bill sends out a clear message to society in general as to
what is acceptable and unacceptable and, beyond that, it takes
seriously that that is not just a question of what happens in
our country and tackles so-called "sex tourism." The
Bill states that what is not acceptable for children in our country
should not be acceptable for children in other countries.
There are relatively few people in the Chamber, but we should
not underestimate the importance of the Bill to many people. There
will be people out there watching this on television and looking
at what has been said. Following previous debates on this subject,
I have received phone calls and letters from people throughout
the country saying how important it has been to have these matters
debated.
The Government have done a good job in tackling the issue and
should be congratulated on that, as should Members on both sides
of the House. It is a complex area, and the Bill needs to be implemented
and monitored. It is only through the process of implementation
that we will learn whether the clauses we have agreed will achieve
the aims that everybody wants to see. In monitoring that, we will
come to understand whether we need further legislation to tackle
these serious offences.
9.27 pm
Simon Hughes : I am pleased to have the opportunity
of seeing the Bill through. The Home Secretary knows that there
are two other Bills that we have to see through together before
my current Home Office work load is passed on entirely to my colleagues.
It is a great pleasure to welcome a Bill that, as the Home Secretary
said, had been sitting around as an idea. Some of us had been
lobbying for a reform of this area of the law for a long time,
and I pay tribute to the Government for bringing the Bill through
a proper consultative process, a good review body that came up
with a set of sensible suggestions and then a consultative Govt
paper. Like the reform of coroners, a subject that has also been
sitting on the shelves of the Home Office
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for a long time, this matter needed the attention of Ministers,
who have produced what is substantially a very good Bill.
I pay unequivocal tribute to the Home Secretary and his Ministers
for the way in which they have made sure that the Bill got on
to the statute book. His colleagues past and present have co-operated
with my colleagues and me, and with others, to make sure that
we get the best possible agreement in all areas of the Bill. I
pay tribute to the Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department,
the hon. Member for Wythenshawe and Sale, East (Paul Goggins),
to the Solicitor-General and to now-elevated colleagues who have
gone before. As the Home Secretary said, we all hope that being
on Home Office duty provides us with a launching platform for
greater things. There may even be those on the Conservative Front
Bench with the same hope, although they are not all here tonight
to express it.
Mr. Bryant: They are not here at all.
Simon Hughes: They are well represented by the
hon. Member for Beaconsfield (Mr. Grieve), although his elder
and better is no doubt not far away.
I add tributes to four of my party colleagues in particular. My
hon. Friends the Members for Mid-Dorset and North Poole (Mrs.
Brooke) and for Romsey (Sandra Gidley) have borne the brunt of
the effort in this place and have done their job extremely well,
while my colleagues Baroness Walmsley and Lord Thomas of Gresford
did the same in the other place. This was a Bill where one had
to be pretty committed to do the work, and the work was done by
my colleagues to their credit and to the benefit of the Bill.
They worked well with colleagues from all parties. I add a tribute
to Lord Alli, who tabled significant amendments that were supported
across the House. Like many of my colleagues, he sought to improve
some areas that were technically very difficult, and about which
there had been much controversy. As a result we have produced
a much better Bill, but not without considerable effort.
Finally in my thank you list, as well as thanking many voluntary
bodies and the police in general, I pay particular tribute to
the Metropolitan police, who briefed colleagues in all parts of
the House effectively, competently and supportively.
This was none of my doing, but I appreciate the fact that, apart
from the last three groups of amendments on Report, everything
was dealt with within agreed times. That is certainly the best
way to approach such legislation. We should not be passing laws
about criminal offences without having time to debate them and
ensure that we get them right.
I shall now single out the substantive issues. As the hon. Member
for Sheffield, Heeley (Ms Munn) said, this Bill is hugely important
outside this place. We have reformed the law on rape significantly
and for the better. The struggles that the House of Lords went
through to try to get that right are important. There was a moment
when it looked as if it would be possible to convict someone of
that most serious offence without their having understood what
they were doing. At one stage in the Lords, there was the possibility
that a defendant in a rape trial would no longer be able to argue
that he believed that the alleged victim was consenting. That
has
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been changed in a way that does not, I believe, prejudice the
victim, but does ensure that the person accused is given a fair
trial. That is a hugely important factor in dealing with this
most serious offence.
Various other areas of the law were improved in the House of Lords,
with the result that on a whole set of issues the prosecution
was indeed required to establish the burden of proof, which had
not been clear at the beginning. Another small but important issue
was raised in the Lords, and the Government agreed that people
who give advice, such as the agony aunts of this world, should
not be criminalised for the advice that they give.
It was also important to state in law that people who abuse positions
of trust should be prosecuted, and minors are now much better
protected, whether from grooming, from people abusing positions
of trust or from other people in the family. I agree with the
Minister that that protection also applies within the marriage
relationship. We cannot allow young people to be abused and exploited
as was possible under the previous law.
There are other tricky areas too, which are difficult to deal
with, and which I am aware sometimes raise a laugh outside among
the public. We did not get it right in the beginning, and people
who walk round their homes with no clothes on, without doing anything
else, could have been prosecuted just for that. The Government
understood that the law needed to be drafted properly so that
people who chose to do that did not unwittingly find themselves
in court. Likewise, people who cause no offence and have no ill
motive can be without clothes in parts of the country where that
is permitted—such as on beaches in Dorset, as my hon. Friend
the Member for Mid-Dorset and North Poole (Mrs. Brooke) explained,
or elsewhere.
We may not have got the difficult subject of sex in public places
perfectly right. The Minister knows my views: we argued that that
activity should be dealt with within a public order context rather
than in sexual offences legislation. None the less, the Liberal
Democrats, like all the other parties, are clear that it is important
to understand that public conveniences are just that, and must
not be abused by people in a way that prevents the public from
using them as conveniences. I hope that message has come out loud
and clear from all parts of the House.
Finally, I hope that it will be noted that we have also tidied
up a few little things that would otherwise have been wrong and
anomalous. For example, people who have committed offences that
are no longer offences will not remain on the sex offenders register.
Such matters are important. Their implications may be limited,
but they are hugely important for the individuals involved.
I draw two messages from the Bill. One is that young people are
now better protected by the law from people within their family,
from other people whom they know, and from outsiders who seek
to abuse them. Secondly, where that happens, we need to make sure
that the police have the resources they need to follow up offences
that will be on the statute book in the next few days. If we are
to ensure, as we should, that those who groom young people into
prospective crime are caught, we need to ensure that all the police
authorities have the facilities and numbers to follow matters
through.
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As the hon. Member for Sheffield, Heeley (Ms Munn) said, this
is good legislation—not perfect, but significantly better
than before—that is fair to men and women and to different
types of relationship. But the proof of the pudding will come
when we discover whether it is used wisely and understood clearly,
and whether those with the authority to implement it are given
the resources to do so. We wish the Bill well, and I am pleased
that my colleagues in particular have been able to contribute
to improving substantially what is very important legislation.
Mr. Bryant : This is becoming a bit of a love-in,
with all of us congratulating one another—
Mr. Blunkett: Only in the legal sense.
Mr. Bryant: Indeed. I, too, would like to congratulate
the Home Office on being courageously bold in a quiet way, and
on achieving what is, by all accounts, important legislation that
will probably have a more direct effect on people's lives than
much other legislation, even though it will barely be reported
in tomorrow's newspapers and other media. This has been a good
process. The initial consultation did, indeed, set the boundaries,
and Ministers' response to probing amendments in Committee was
entirely helpful. Making sex and sexuality, which are so often
profoundly divisive issues in society, matters of open consensus
in the House is a remarkable achievement; if only we could provide
the same advice to the Anglican Church.
This is an excellent Bill primarily because of the added protection
that it gives to children. Many of my constituents have been very
concerned in recent years about the seeming increase in the number
of child abuse stories. They will be pleased to learn that we
are moving with the times and providing stronger protection, at
a time when people are able to travel more around the world. One
of my constituents is a very close family relative of two young
children who were abducted and murdered some 15 years ago. Still
nobody has been convicted of those murders, and I know that my
constituent passionately wants the double jeopardy rule to be
reformed in the as the Government would like it to be. My constituent
does not understand why the House of Lords still has not finished
with the Criminal Justice Bill, and looks forward to its completing
its legislative passage.
I should also like to congratulate the Home Secretary as a gay
man, because one of the most extraordinary aspects of this Bill
is that it is probably changing more laws on homosexuality than
on many of the other issues facing us. We barely talked about
that issue in Committee because there is general consensus on
it, but it took some courage to introduce many of the amendments.
Ironically, the law on homosexuality in this country has probably
been more illiberal and discriminatory in the past 150 years than
it has in the past 1,000. Indeed, every time a Bill has been introduced
to try to improve matters in the past 50 years, we have tended
to take two steps forward and one step back. Many people will
be profoundly happy to see the end of
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the offences of solicitation, of gross indecency, of procuring
others to commit homosexual acts, and of assault with intent to
commit buggery.
The hon. Member for Southwark, North and Bermondsey (Simon Hughes)
has referred to the Government's recent decision to include section
93 and schedule 4, which provide for those convicted of now abolished
homosexual offences to come off the sex offenders register. That
is good for those individuals because it allows them to get on
with the rest of their lives. Equally importantly, it is good
for the register, because people can now have absolute confidence
that those on it are included for a very good reason.
Many congratulations, then, and further congratulations to the
Home Secretary on the amendment tabled in the other place to the
Criminal Justice Bill, which will make homophobic hate crimes
illegal in the same way as racial hate crimes. That is a movement
entirely in the right direction and should be welcomed.
I believe that this is a fine Bill. For once, we have not moved
two steps forward and one step back. This is a resolute step forward
and, as the hon. Member for Beaconsfield (Mr. Grieve) said earlier,
it is a Bill that will stand the test of time.
9.40 pm
Dr. Evan Harris : This is indeed important legislation
and I share the pleasure of the hon. Member for Rhondda (Mr. Bryant).
I am pleased to see the abolition of existing discriminatory offences,
particularly gross indecency and buggery, which were especially
important in terms of their scope and the number of people whose
lives were blighted by the threat of blackmail and shame for what
were consenting offences. The changes made in that area of law
are more important than other legal changes in respect of rights
for gays and, more widely, for gays and lesbians.
The Government can rightly take pride in taking action, because
it was not an easy process. It was clear from the outset that
it would take a good deal of departmental time to have a review,
a consultation and a White Paper and then a contentious Bill that
would be difficult to whip, particularly in the other place. Gaining
consensus in the House of Lords was particularly difficult.
I take particular pleasure in knowing that when the idea of having
a review, which later became "Setting the Boundaries",
was first mooted from the Dispatch Box in February 1999, it was
partly in response to a new clause that I had proposed to the
Sexual Offences (Amendment) Bill 1998—a Bill that was later
blocked in the House of Lords and had to be pushed through under
the Parliament Act. The amendment dealt with the privacy provision,
which meant that even a consensual homosexual act could never
be lawful if more than two people were present. A review was proposed
in response to my new clause and I would like to take this opportunity
to thank the Government for initiating it. I also thank the people
who served on that review, which set out for the first time the
need for gender-neutral and sexuality-neutral legislation.
I share the joy of the hon. Member for Rhondda at seeing both
clause 93 and schedule 4 enacted. It is all the more laudable
that the Government acted in that
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respect—they can again take great pride—because
it was not the Government's initial position that something needed
to be done in this area. In the Committee considering the Bill
to which I referred, the right hon. Member for Brent, South (Mr.
Boateng), then a Home Office Minister, said to me:
"It is important that we get one thing crystal clear. I
suggested that the hon. Gentleman was being cavalier in his apparent
disregard of the public expenditure implications of the course
that he is proposing. Is he seriously suggesting that police time
should be spent going through the charge sheets of individuals
who have pleaded guilty, been convicted or been cautioned for
the offences in question, in order to determine into which of
the three categories"—
consensual, non-consensual, private—
"they fall, and so whether his new clause will bite? Does
he consider that to be a justifiable use of police time?"—[Official
Report, Standing Committee E, 11 February 1999; c. 148.]
The Government have certainly now accepted that it is an appropriate
use of Home Office time for that work to be done. We have had
to wait a long time for those measures, which should have been
introduced earlier.
In respect of the one substantive amendment—amendment No.
195—that was not agreed, I hope that there will be an informal
time limit on the Home Office's determination of this matter.
Even a month taken to act in respect of something that has always
been consensual and should never have been registrable is a month
too long.
It was a little churlish of the hon. Member for Beaconsfield (Mr.
Grieve) to argue that 45 minutes for debating the issue of sex
in public lavatories was too much, particularly when he himself
made several pertinent interventions in that debate. As I said,
singling out public lavatories for a lower standard of complaint,
a lower standard of proof and a lower number of available defences
than for sex in parks, commons, heaths and other areas is a questionable
path down which to go. That is my only negative point about the
Bill.
Finally, it is important to note that the Government have only
just started to deal with some issues, particularly trafficking
and the exploitation of people—mainly women, and often,
sadly, children—as sex workers. I am glad that, following
the evaluation of pilot schemes, cross-European and international
work, the Government have recognised that there is clearly more
to do. On the question of prostitution, I am delighted that the
Government have had the courage to initiate a review in that area
also and I hope that it leads to legislation—
Mr. Deputy Speaker (Sir Alan Haselhurst): Order. I remind the
hon. Gentleman that on Third Reading he should be talking about
what is in the Bill, and not speculating about the future. Other
hon. Members are waiting to speak on the Bill.
9.45 pm
Mr. Dawson : It was a privilege to serve on the
Committee on this historic Bill. It is a fine Bill that will offer
protection to many vulnerable people in this country and abroad
for many years to come. It was a very positive experience being
part of a Committee that had a genuine debate, with sincere and
committed people on both sides doing their level best to try to
improve the legislation.
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Huge challenges lie ahead. We have improved the law on prostitution,
on the protection of children who have been sexually abused, on
young people who are themselves abusers and on trafficking. It
is now essential that we improve the resources for, and availability
of, treatment and support for offenders to ensure that the legal
protection that we have put in place makes a real difference to
people's lives. I have great hopes for further legislation that
may stem from this Bill. We have laid down important structures
in the Bill, including provision on the inability of young people
under the age of 13 to consent to sexual relations. That will
have profound implications for the age of criminal responsibility
in the future.
The biggest challenge that will arise from the Bill will be faced
not only by the Home Office, the Government and Ministers, but
by all of us. The most important way in which we can protect children
who are sexually abused in our society is by ensuring that we
have a nationwide network of treatment centres for adult abusers.
That heinous behaviour can and must be addressed properly, and
it is a challenge for all of us whether we are prepared to accept
such centres, whose fundamental role is to protect children, in
the heart of our constituencies. These are huge issues for all
communities. Sexual abuse is rife in our society and we must ensure
that children are much better protected by putting such a network
in place.
Mrs. Curtis-Thomas : Like all the other hon.
Members who have spoken on Third Reading, I am profoundly grateful
to the Government for introducing this Bill, especially the clauses
that will protect young people with learning difficulties. I am
the mother of a daughter with a learning difficulty, who will
achieve the maturity age of a six-year-old. Like many other hon.
Members, I have had parents of children with learning difficulties
coming to my surgeries. Some of those children have been sexually
abused, some of them in care homes. Unfortunately, achieving a
prosecution has always been incredibly difficult because there
have always been debates about whether or not such an individual
is capable of consenting to sex.
The reality is that my daughter will never be in a fit position
to consent, or otherwise, to sex. In fact, it would take very
little to induce her into any form of behaviour. The prospect
for many parents of children with such difficulties was that they
could never be exposed to society. They would never have the opportunity
to live in sheltered accommodation, because if they were exposed
to some sort of sexual activity, it would be almost impossible
to achieve redress. There would only have been a terrible assault
and no actual justice for the individual. That remains the case
until we prove that this legislation works.
I was unable to speak on the Bill earlier because it covers such
a highly emotive area for me and for people and parents like me.
The effectiveness of the Bill will be borne out only if there
are successful prosecutions, as the Minister said. It will be
so if my colleagues in Mencap tell me that it is working and that
they feel that they have more rights and a greater chance of justice
when acts are committed against them. It will be so if the police
feel more disposed to take prosecutions to the
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Crown Prosecution Service and when the CPS is confident enough
to take those cases to court. Few cases get there now.
I welcome the Bill from that personal perspective and on behalf
of many parents in a position similar to my own. I thank the Home
Secretary for his reassurances on anonymity. The guidelines that
will soon be issued to the press will, I hope, have the desired
effect. I am deeply concerned about the publication of scandalous
stories and their effects on innocent people and on the juries
who are expected to reach judgment.
Vera Baird: I pay the greatest of respect to
what has just been said by my hon. Friend the Member for Crosby
(Mrs. Curtis-Thomas).
I shall return the mood to one of congratulation by complimenting
the Government on the excellence of the Bill. It was a true pleasure
to serve on the Committee, and I congratulate the Home Secretary
and the Under-Secretary who has dealt so well, so amiably and
so flexibly with the Bill this evening. I also compliment the
advisers who have worked extremely hard, sometimes running to
stand still.
Clause 1 is of particular importance. It did not end as it started
and has been amended for the better. Its purpose has unflinchingly
remained the same throughout. For women, it is a progressive and
symbolic provision. It has taken since 1975 to find a Home Office
sufficiently understanding to reverse the rule in Morgan v. the
Director of Public Prosecutions. That rule said that it is a complete
defence to rape for a man, whatever the woman says or does, to
say that he believed that she was consenting. Because of the emphasis
placed by the clause on the actions carried out by the defendant
to check the complainant's state of mind, it will also be much
less possible for previous sexual history to be used to say that
that was what persuaded a man that a woman was, in fact, consenting.
Finally, I appeal to the Government to hold the fort on anonymity.
Clause 1 brings twin changes of great benefit to women in the
continued fight for sexual rights. I congratulate the Home Secretary.
Question put and agreed to.
Bill accordingly read the Third time, and passed.
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